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Master Knightfall · Dec 06, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18

sorry but if any of you knew anything about WWII you would know that tanks aren't always defensive the Tiger tank was one of the foremost powerful offensive tanks of the war thank you very much.

HawkofStorms · Dec 06, 2007, 12:19 AM // 00:19

They are indemand because people are stupid.

Edit: can't tell if Master_Knightfall is being sarcastic or not... but lol

Master Knightfall · Dec 06, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

I was merely eluding to that tank doesn't always mean defensive. Tanks in the sense of the war and this game just means a hard outer shell, but, definitely not meant as passive defensive. Tanks are awesome offensive power for the most part. Some people use the term tank as derogative of what they are or do thas all. I'm merely correcting them.

bungusmaximus · Dec 06, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

sorry but if any of you knew anything about WWII you would know that tanks aren't always defensive the Tiger tank was one of the foremost powerful offensive tanks of the war thank you very much.

Good one for a PvE skill, give kalashnikov's to all heroes^^.

AK 74's for EVERYONE...shit, wrong game.

Tyla · Dec 06, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

yeah but REAL tanks carry great offense included....DONT COMPARE!!

Master Knightfall · Dec 06, 2007, 12:40 AM // 00:40

That was my point Tyla one can be called a tank and still be offensive build.

bungusmaximus · Dec 06, 2007, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

That was my point Tyla one can be called a tank and still be offensive build.

Yup, normal warriors can bodyblock too

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Targuil · Dec 06, 2007, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

Good one for a PvE skill, give kalashnikov's to all heroes^^.

AK 74's for EVERYONE...shit, wrong game.

I love that upgrade. Angry mobs with aks rape everything :P

RedNova88 · Dec 06, 2007, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Never heard of a warrior being useless in PVE only assassins, memsers and rangers.

Mesmers and Rangers being useless is just a big myth, as for Assassins... Well, only stupid ones are useless.

Lagg · Dec 06, 2007, 02:01 AM // 02:01

My tank is fight.

Kakumei · Dec 06, 2007, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

I was merely eluding to that tank doesn't always mean defensive. Tanks in the sense of the war and this game just means a hard outer shell, but, definitely not meant as passive defensive. Tanks are awesome offensive power for the most part. Some people use the term tank as derogative of what they are or do thas all. I'm merely correcting them.

This has nothing to do with the game--where the word "tank" got its roots is completely irrelevant, all that matters is what it's used to mean now: a character whose primary (and often sole) purpose is to soak up aggro and damage.

And I guess tanks are useful for shitty PUGs. Better groups will use the superior defensive options available.

bungusmaximus · Dec 06, 2007, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by Toxage

Who needs a tank in guild wars when paragons can reduce all damage by 87%?...

Before there were PvE only skills, tanks were bad too you know ^^.

Cebe · Dec 06, 2007, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X

Team wide passive defense>a character wasting their whole bar to tank, and its just boring to play that way.

That, and the fact that in PvE it's generally faster to just not bother with a tank and rip things apart with a couple of Eles, Rits, Necros.. than wait for a tank to set up, gain aggro, and allow nuking to commence. The UW may be an exception to the rule... The Four Horsemen... *shudders*

What a "tank" is seems to be lost on many people anyway... People ask for "tanks" in PuGs - and seem to think a tank should just be a warrior who is strong enough to be the last one alive in a partywipe situation. It's bizarre...PuGs demand tanks...then the Eles run in ahead of the tank anyway. "I CAN TANK 2 COZ I HAV STONE DAGGERS MIRITE???".

kobey · Dec 06, 2007, 09:39 AM // 09:39

If someone ask my warrior with nice armor and nice weapons to STAND THERE AND LET THE MONSTERS HIT, you can ask that person to GET SOMEONE ELSE.

Warrior's weapons are the most expensive in game, and they are meant to be used to hit, not to BE HIT.

kvndoom · Dec 06, 2007, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by Lagg

My tank is fight.

I have that book, it's awesome!

Back on topic, in PVE, if your definition of "tank" is to use a build that will keep the enemy from doing too much damage to your backline, then consider this:

14 hammer
13 strength

For Great Justice
Flail
Earth Shaker
Pulverizing Smash
Crude Swing
Whirlwind Attack
Sight Beyond Sight
rez (flesh of my flesh or Death Pact)

Have a Rt/N or N/Rt hero for support, and make sure (s)he has these two skills:

Withering Aura
Weapon of Fury

(I have at times used Splinter Weapon instead, you just have to choose between more frequent knockdowns or higher DPS)

Then laugh as mobs sit on their assess over 50% of the time and melt away like hot butter. You've got IAS, massive AoE damage, AoE knockdown, deep wound, and AoE weakness. There's your offense and defense in one neat little package.

RhanoctJocosa · Dec 06, 2007, 09:52 AM // 09:52

Warriors are generally useless unless they're running Illusionary Weaponry with a wand. 33 ranged damage that goes under prot ftw?

arsie · Dec 06, 2007, 09:53 AM // 09:53

Its just leftover WoW bad habits, I reckon.

RhanoctJocosa · Dec 06, 2007, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

sorry but if any of you knew anything about WWII you would know that tanks aren't always defensive the Tiger tank was one of the foremost powerful offensive tanks of the war thank you very much.

but they got owned by the mud and stuff in no-man's land in ww1 lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!1

blue.rellik · Dec 06, 2007, 09:59 AM // 09:59

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

Warriors are generally useless unless they're running Illusionary Weaponry with a wand. 33 ranged damage that goes under prot ftw?

You need [skill]Flurry[/skill]

upier · Dec 06, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

Tanks get the job done (it's PvE afterall - pretty much everything gets the job done here!) but there are just better options.
And since one can only have a limited amount of players in a party - we gravitate towards the best option.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with playing a tank in PvE! If you like it - do it!
Just know that if you like playing with people - playing a tank will automatically ruin your chance to take part in parties you'd want to play in.
Good ones.

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

Warriors are generally useless unless they're running Illusionary Weaponry with a wand. 33 ranged damage that goes under prot ftw?

Having played a necro first, then moved onto a mesmer (those 2,5+ years ago) - and capped IW - I thought it was going to be the best elite ever!
40 damage with my wand!
I cast it - and then freak out because it was "bugged"!
Some of the mesmer skills look so bloody insane - but then you read the fine print - (like Channeling in PvE! At first I thought that the range was earshot!

) and then you go - WTF!??!?!??